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I'm gonna guess that you might be Chris Bessert of Michigan Highways. I'm very happy if that's the case. Michigan Highways is a great site and has been a valuable resource for several articles I've edited. Happy editting. olderwiser 22:11, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Old BL I-96 (Farmington, MI)[edit]

Hi, I had a few questions about what might simply be a typo at the Michigan Highways site. While I would never put anything past "official" sources, I find it difficult to understand how the former BL route through Farmington could be internally designated as "Old I-96". I could easily understand "Old BL I-96" though. olderwiser 02:51, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

I've made a couple modifications to the I-96 listing on the Michigan Highways site (thanks for the heads-up!) and added my thoughts to the "OLD BL I-96 (Farmington, MI)" discussion page. CBessert 04:45, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

Christopher Bessert? is that you? I have been visiting your Michiganhighways website quite frequently. You can help contribute to Wikipedia by dumping info from your site. --SuperDude 06:06, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I am the same Chris Bessert from the Michigan Highways site. I have actually been contributing here for over a year, mostly to Michigan highway-related pages, however I don't feel "dumping info from my site" is appropriate for many reasons. First, it has taken me a LONG time, a LOT of research and even a great deal of my own MONEY to assemble the website you visit frequently. Yes, it's a labor of love and I don't mind sharing the information with everyone, but to simply "dump" info from there would be a disservice to all involved. Second, I have, unfortunately, found quite a bit of data directly copied from my site and pasted here without anyone asking first or even being cited as a source. I provide my site as a public service, free of charge, and find it very frustrating when people simply copy-and-paste my hard work over here without even asking or citing. I *will* keep contributing, but only as I have the time, as I am still working hard on my own sites. I also try to check back here every so often to correct the most egregious errors I find. CBessert 23:09, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

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Please contribute to Wikibooks[edit]

Since you know alot about Michigan's highway system, you should describe the features of Michigan's road signs in Wikibooks. --SuperDude 04:18, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Michigan State Highway Shields[edit]

I notice that there are no shields on Wikipedia for Michigan State Highways. Like we have for the Interstates, perhaps larger images (PNG images, similar to this File:Interstate15.png and others, provided by Kamlung) of these signs could be made, which can be scaled down as needed. The 120x120 markers on your page here are also quite good. -- Fogger 02:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Clarification[edit]

Hi, Chris. Just wanted to clarify the reason I put the webmaster's name by the webpage I bookmarked was so I wouldn't be accused of copyright infringement. Have a good day. (unsigned comment from Igo4U)

Interstate 375[edit]

As a GIS major deeply enthused in urban geography and cartography, I have visited your highway site many times before to learn details about Michigan’s highway system. When I went to revamp the article for I-375, I was quickly scolded for borrowing information from your site and using that information to expand the article. Although your website was cited, the information was not reproduced verbatim as someone else had so blatantly mentioned, and they reverted my edit to a previous miniscule version. There was information incorporated from several websites, and some pieces of the information came from your site. So, with your permission, I would like to expand only the I-375 article using pieces of your hard-earned information. If you don’t approve, I’ll just redo the article promptly without crediting or using any of your work. (Notorious4life 04:06, 21 November 2005 (UTC))

Correction: the majority of the article in question was in fact taken word-for-word from Michigan Highways. That is what I was objecting to. Here is the diff of what Notorious added [1]. Here are links to the relevent pages at Michigan Highways: [2] [3] I think it is pretty clear that most of the added information came word-for-word from Michigan Highways. And for reference, since Notorious archives his talk page with remarkable speed (without responding to me directly, I might note), here is a link to what I wrote there. olderwiser 13:10, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I've read both entries above and I have to agree with 'Bkonrad' in that there were several long strings of text lifted directly from my website verbatim, including phrases and syntax that are rather unique to my writing style. I also agree with his decision to revert the changes and, further, he is 100 percent correct in his characterization of the work I've put into my website over the past eight years. Mind you, I am also a contributor here on Wikipedia and have spent many hours adding to and correcting articles, many of them Michigan highway-related and I plan to continue to do so as much as I possibly can. I believe in this project and want to help if I can. However, as was pointed out, I have not only spent countless thousands of hours of my own free time, but also many thousands of dollars (in webhosting fees, in the purchasing of books and maps and in the travel required) in documenting the highways of Michigan for the website. I have made this material available freely to anyone on the Internet, so please do excuse me if I find it rather disturbing when people directly copy information from my site. I would encourage anyone, including 'Notorious', to write all the original articles you'd like, but please don't copy word-for-word. Thanks. CBessert 18:51, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Fan club on MySpace[edit]

I have a fanclub on MySpace called the "Interstate road fan club", you should start a MySpace account and join the club. The Interstate road fan club is a place where roadfans share information about highways and stuff like that.

Thanks, but I'll have to pass. Not only do I have a full-time career and a family which is on the way to getting larger soon, I maintain three huge websites, I contribute to Wikipedia, I have a social life, and I communicate with other "roadgeeks" via other, much more established forums, such as misc.transport.road on USENET (posting there for nine years) and GreatLakesRoads and OntRoads on Yahoo! Groups. If you want to discuss all things highway, I'd encourage you to visit any one of the many existing forums instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. Check 'em out! CBessert 07:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Michigan highway naming[edit]

If you are still active and get a chance, can you comment at Talk:List of highways in Michigan#Naming?, especially in regards to whether MDOT uses any format other than "M-X"? Thanks. --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 15:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I did before I saw your request here. I hope my comment there suffices. MDOT (and its predecessor agencies) have not used anything but the "M-X" convention for more than 80 years. CBessert 01:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Ontario now[edit]

According to the Highway Traffic Act, "King’s Highway" includes the secondary highways and tertiary roads designated under the Public Transportation and Highway Improvement Act. Is this a special definition used only for that act, or is it still used in general? Additionally, is the term King's Highway still used officially? Please respond on Talk:List of Ontario provincial highways if you et a chance. --SPUI (T - C) 12:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Michigan Left diagram[edit]

Thanks Chris. Your reconstruction of the alternate highway sign (which I don't recall seeing before) explains the Michigan Left concept nicely. On a more important note, congratulations on fatherhood. -- KelleyCook 13:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Wis 103?[edit]

Has Wis 103 existed at some point in the past? It doesn't show in your site [4] and since you are still in the works with your all-time, I won't know if it exists otherwise. Thanks in advance --master_sonLets talk 00:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, in Fond du Lac County. It is now CTH-TC. I hope to have the "Master List" done soon... CBessert 03:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your wonderful resourch on Wisconsin Highways! It is excellent! You can use the image that I took of the east terminus of former WIS 103 (which is now FdL County TC as you correctly pointed out) if you want. (Image:Wis103EastTerminus.jpg) I bet you don't want to use it since U.S. Highway 151 was redesigned and re-routed slightly since 103 was decommissioned. Cheers! Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 05:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the rewrites[edit]

I was trying to keep as much of what you put on your site diffrent from the article. I think I was going overboard with some of these edits and not proofreading them before hand. But then agian who knows what I am thinking after working 10 straight hours hehe. In anycase thanks for the help I love it. BTW I am sorry about the Business exits on US 31 in michigan. I didnt mean to leave them that way for that long. I been attempting way too much on here and in my real life. BTW I did use MDOT as a source on a lot of those edits along with Earth Google and Yahoo Maps. So I did not use your awesome site exclusively :)--Mihsfbstadium 11:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Possibility on 93[edit]

Hey Chris,

In the notes here, you write:

The southern end of STH-93 is one of those odd occurrences in Wisconsin where the first 15 miles of a highway are signed concurrently with two other routes, first with US-53, then for three miles as US-53/STH-54/STH-93, then for another six miles with STH-54. It is clear this situation exists due to the route-swap between STH-93 and STH-35 in c.1990 (as detailed in the note below), but as to why WisDOT did not simply truncate this route at jct STH-35 & STH-54 in Centerville is not readily apparent.

If you look at the map and then drive south on 53 in Eau Claire, it rationale actually does become readily apparent.  :-) For whatever reason, WisDOT decided that 93 was going to be the primary connector between EC and LC. Why they made that decision, however, is not readily apparent. Cheers, Tomertalk 03:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

US-131 in Mackinaw City[edit]

Thanks for making that correction. I don't know who put it there, either -- it was there when I started working on the listing of routes. As I said when I checked it out, the claim seems to be completely unfounded that it went all the way to St. Ignace.

BTW, FWIW, I did not claim that your website gave support to the notion. In fact, when I went to your articles, I came to the conclusion that the material that was in the Mackinaw City, Michigan article was wrong, and posted the query in the discussion.

I've enjoyed your articles. Happy holidays. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

US-31 in Mackinaw City, Michigan and other road listings in Northern Michigan and Traverse City, Michigan[edit]

Chris: Since you are the road guru (I bow to your expertise), I made lots of changes and additions, and I'm sure your editing would imporve them. If you would kindly take a look, I would appreciate your help. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

US-23 in (and north of) Harrisville, Michigan[edit]

Chris: You got rid of the word "parallels" and substituted something like 'runs on the shoreline.' I had avoided that construction purposely, as 23 only sort of runs along the shoreline (intermittently at best), and often moves far away from the shore. Just north of Harrisville it vears northwesterly, and is substantially west of the shore line all the way through Ossineike at least. Likewise, in Alpena it does go past Squaw Bay and follows the shoreline until it turns west into downdown, then jogs around through town and the river, and then shoots due north through Rogers City and Cheboygan. Its only north of Rogers City (briefly) and north of Cheboygan that one actually can see the lake. I was trying to avoid misleading our readers into erroneously thinking that they would be along the lake shore. Believe me, I have talked to out of state bicyclists who were doing that route, and who were gravely disappointed. Just a thought. best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

I would also add that this is pretty much true (with the exception of briefly approaching Greenbush from the north, and parts of Oscoda and Tawas and the approaches to the area around the "singing bridge") for 23 south all the way down to Standish. Looking at a map of Michigan, one one see 23 and think that it is a shoreline road. But the appearance on a big map can be deceiving. I've driven this route hundreds of times, and I've bicycled most of it at one time or another, so I really have a 'concept.' Of course, in a macro sense (and in an editorial one, putting aside literalism), you have a point. If you get far enough back, if you could see I-75 it could look 'close to the Atlantic.' I exagerate, but I'm sure you as a consumate annotater of roads understand what I mean.
BTW, I wanted to thank you for cleaning up a lot of road sections in a bunch of communities where I had put them in. It was my hope that somebody would do that, and you've really come through. If I knew how to give you a Wiki thumbs=up, or attaboy, I certainly would. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

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